18 AUG Steven Anderson says that Salvation doesn’t bring a change in action Steven Anderson claims in the video below that many who are saved will not show any change in actions. No works will follow. He misquotes scripture that talks about people being saved without works and then says that it means someone can be saved and then never change. The interesting thing about this doctrine is that Anderson and the other preachers in his movement contradict it left and right. Anderson says that if you don’t interpret Leviticus 20:13 his way (that a person under the New Testament should believe that sodomites should be executed) then you are not saved. Anderson uses John 8:47 and says therefore that if you don’t believe his (mis)interpretations of scripture, you are not saved. He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. – John 8:47 Anderson also preaches that people who attend Faithful Word Baptist Church but then leave are not saved. So how can he also teach that those who are saved will not change? Obviously these two sets of beliefs are in opposition. The reason he has to teach both is because of the soul winning that takes place at his church. Anderson and his movement practice a quick prayerism version of soul winning that presses people to say a prayer at the door, typically without understanding. As a result, almost none of these people ever come to the New IFB churches. Now in reality, it’s because they never actually believed, and so are not saved – all they did was pray to get the evangelist off their doorstep. But because Anderson won’t admit this, since he uses soulwinning numbers to excuse everything wrong with the movement, he must teach that those who are being led in prayers actually do get saved, but we shouldn’t expect them to ever change or bear any fruit. Anderson realized this early on, which is why he posted the following article on his church website in 2011. (Click to view) Why Most People who are Saved through Soul-winning will Never Come to Church By Pastor Steven L Anderson Many critics of door-to-door soul-winning say that soul-winning “doesn’t work” or is a fraud because so few of the people who get saved in the process ever end up coming to church. Therefore, they say that these people “must have never really gotten saved.” Here is a list of 11 reasons why most of the people who are saved through the soul-winning of Faithful Word Baptist Church will never come to church, even though they are truly saved. 1. They don’t speak English. About 50% of the people that I personally win to the Lord speak only Spanish. Although I speak Spanish well enough to effectively preach the Gospel and dialogue about Biblical doctrine, our church does not offer services in Spanish. Our church will never offer services in Spanish. However, it is our goal to preach the Gospel to every single person in the greater Phoenix area. We do not want the Spanish-speakers in our area to go to Hell without getting a chance to hear a clear presentation of the Gospel. There are several people in our church who are able to speak Spanish, and I would estimate that about 20% of the people who are saved through our soul-winning efforts don’t speak English. 2. They are older children or teenagers. Many of the people we win to the Lord out soul-winning are teenagers or children and are therefore not in a position to drive themselves to church. Since they are not the decision maker in their home, they will probably not be able to get their family to go to the church of their choice. 3. They live too far away or have no vehicle or gas money. Our goal at Faithful Word Baptist Church is to knock every single door in the greater Phoenix area, which includes approximately 4 million people. Therefore, we do not only knock doors in the immediate vicinity of our church. As we radiate outward with our soul-winning, we find ourselves knocking doors that are 20, 30, or more minutes away from our church. Let’s face it: someone that we win to the Lord in a ghetto 30 minutes away from our church is probably not going to make the 1 hour round trip drive to come to our church. But does that mean that they are not really saved? No! In addition, our church does “Small Town Soul-winning Marathons” every few months, and dozens are saved in small towns across Arizona that are usually about 1.5 hours from our church. These people will probably not make a 3 hour round trip commute each Sunday to be a part of our church. However, if we don’t bring them the Gospel, who will? 4. They are too shy to visit. I have been in church my entire life and am by nature an outgoing person, and yet many times I have been very shy and nervous walking into a new church for the first time and not knowing anyone. One time, there was a young lady in her twenties who came to visit our church. She had been in church her whole life, and her father had been a Baptist pastor. After talking with me a little bit, she told me that she had actually come to visit the week before but had chickened out when she got to our parking lot and saw “the crowd.,” so she turned around and drove off. She worked up enough courage to come back the next week and come to the service. Some people are just too shy to walk into a church where they don’t know anyone – especially if they have never even been to church before. 5. They already go to church somewhere else. Many of the people who get saved through our soul-winning efforts already go to church somewhere. Many of them are already even attending a Baptist church. Once they get saved, they may continue to attend a liberal Baptist church or a new-evangelical church because of the fact that they have ties with friends and family there. 6. They are recruited to another church by friends or family. Often I have won someone to the Lord who has family or friends who are already saved. Although these watered-down Christian family members or friends never took the time to get their loved one saved, they will jump all over them to get them plugged into their church, now that they are saved. People are much more likely to go to a church where they already know people than to a church where they don’t know anyone. Also, a new believer may not know all the specific things they should be looking for in a church, and therefore, they may easily end up going to an inferior church because they already know people there. 7. They are too lazy to come to church. Because as a church we knock every door in each area we go soul-winning, much of our time is spent knocking doors in slums and ghettos. Many of the people who get saved have very little character and are very unreliable people. Many of them want to come to church and have every intention of coming to church but do not have the character to get themselves out of bed in the morning and drag themselves to church. Many of them can’t even hold down a job, let alone come to church on Sunday. 8. They are physically disabled. As we knock doors out soul-winning, we are able to preach the Gospel to many people who would otherwise never hear it because they are physically disabled and almost never get out of the house. Many are hooked up to machines, crippled, very elderly, or in some other way too impaired to get to church. Thank God, we are able to bring the Gospel to them and give them the opportunity to place their faith on Jesus Christ for salvation. 9. Their spouse does not want them to come. Obviously they should come anyway: “Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.” – Acts 5:29 However, many who are saved will allow this to keep them from coming to our church. 10. They are offended by something in our church invitation. At Faithful Word Baptist Church, we are very clear about who we are and do not pretend to be something that we are not. We want people to know what kind of a church we are. Therefore, our church invitations are filled with information that we want people to have, and that will give them a clear picture of our church. These are the three invitations we hand out: FWBC Invitation – KJV FWBC Invitation – Mesa FWBC Invitation – General Because our nation has become so wicked, our church seems extreme to the world. Many people will take offense to something in the invitations we hand out, and therefore decide not to visit our church. 11. They consider our church “too extreme.” Our church is considered “radical” and “extreme” simply because this world has become “extremely” different from the standards set forth in God’s word. When people hear real Bible preaching, it can sometimes be shocking to them because the television has brainwashed them their entire life with messages that are contrary to the Bible. A person who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ still may be worldly and not able to handle hard preaching. Conclusion: Does soul-winning work? Well, it depends on what you consider the goal of soul-winning to be. I believe that the goal of soul-winning is to get people saved. Therefore, it works! If your goal is to have a larger church attendance, then it may not work as well as other methods. Jesus Christ promised that HE would build the church, and so I will leave that to him. He never commanded us to build the church; he commanded us to preach the Gospel to every creature. Now, reader, if you have read through these 11 reasons and are still not convinced, then I have two questions for you: 1. Are you saved? 2. Do you want to attend Faithful Word Baptist Church? If you answered “yes” to question 1 and “no” to question 2, then you may have just discovered the 12th reason why many of the people who we save* out door-to-door do not end up joining our church! *Epilogue: Many Calvinists and other non-soul-winning hypocrites will object to my terminology here because they are ignorant of the following scriptures: “To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.” – 1 Corinthians 9:22 “If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.” – Romans 11:14 “And of some have compassion, making a difference: and others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.” – Jude 22, 23 “For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?” – 1 Corinthians 7:16 [collapse] It’s contradictory, but to keep the salvation numbers rolling in, the New IFB must hold this view. Post Author: Joshua Lindsey My name is Joshua Lindsey. I live in Minnesota, and with my wife and children am a faithful member of my local independent Baptist Church. I have taught Sunday School classes and children’s classes, and also had the opportunity to preach at several churches. I teach Bible college classes on the Pentateuch, Atheism and Faith, Chrsitian Denominations, Bible Preservation (A defense of the underlying texts of the KJV), Bible Geography and Customs, Church Graphic Design, and some others. My father is an Independent Baptist Pastor in Wisconsin, and I grew up in a home full of love for the Lord. My parents raised me in the Bible, and are faithful to this day in witnessing and discipling. Although I was constantly immersed in biblical teaching and preaching, I did not personally believe in Jesus as described in John 3:16 until my freshman year in Bible college. In the many years since then, I have grown in grace and the Lord has given me opportunity to serve him in ministry. Among other ministries, I run my church’s print shop and participate in door-to-door evangelism. In doctrine, I affirm the truth that has been passed down from church to church since the time of Christ. I affirm the deity of Christ, his death, burial, and bodily resurrection, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, the virgin birth, the inerrancy and infallibility of the scriptures, the inspiration and preservation of the scriptures, the imminent return of Christ and his future literal millennial reign. I accept the canonicity of the 66 books of scripture, I believe that God commands all men to repent, that Christ draws all men to himself, that any person can believe and be saved. I believe salvation cannot be forfeited or taken away. I believe Christ’s command to go to all the world and preach the Gospel is still applicable to us today. I believe in a future literal judgment seat of Christ and a Great white throne judgment. I believe that no person will enter heaven except through Jesus Christ. I reject all false religions: Islam, Judaism, new Age, etc. I reject the teaching that God elects some men to damnation, giving them no chance to be saved. I reject the idea that God did not preserve his words and that recent manuscript discoveries provide us with a more accurate Bible that was not available to past generations of Christians. I reject the concept of a universal church. I reject the idea that Baptism plays a part in salvation. I believe many things additionally not listed here. My views align with the scripture and with the beliefs that faithful churches have held since the time of Christ, and have held under the title of “Baptist” for many centuries now.